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Ragmar
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Posted On: 05/20/2013 at 08:22 PM
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As I was reading through the forums, I found a response from Fog to a thread that I really liked and wanted to make sure that it got read by others, as well as I wanted to take some time to add my own thoughts to it.

"The ranking system isn't designed to be a race. It's designed to take years to get to the finish line. Through your journey as a member you should make the transition from caring about points to caring about family. You ask any of our really long time members and they don't care about honor points or contribution. They do it naturally without asking for reward. I've designed this system to take time. I don't want people overnight hitting the top and thats exactly what happened before with RIFT and GW2 when people gamed the system. I threw in stop gaps like contribution points and time as factors to try to slow people down. I want everyone to make that transition.

It's the point at which "Guild" becomes "Family" and you start talking about us in a whole different way. When you enter people use the word "Guild" to describe us. Over time they evolve to call us 'family' "

I'm working on ranking up so I can help lead the family, and I agree. I've been in guild leadership positions outside of Gaiscioch, before I joined, and watched as people clawed their way up "guild" ranks for that "shiny officer crown" which really doesn't exist I also saw it from the grunt standpoint. I created my own "guild" at one point, because I wanted to take my vision and turn it into reality. I wanted a family friendly guild that ran together, talked in guild chat together, and had fun, and did well. I never could pull it off, because I could not find anyone who shared my vision and purpose, until I joined the Gaiscioch.

Gaiscioch is built in a way that you can do "officer" things, without being an official officer. I'm a Lorgair at the moment, and I have access to leadership things like planning events, posting events that count towards other's fellowship and my own valor, and other things that I thought I would most likely have to be a bootlicker if I really wanted to do. But Fog has come up with a system that is absolutely brilliant, so that way the dedicated will make it to the top and will grow to understand some of the essentials about being a leader.

Leaders are team players. They work with others, and they help out. The answer questions. Every time I have asked Fog or another Elder a question, I've gotten a response as soon as possible, it would seem. 

Leaders understand that there is no power in leadership, it is only responsibility. You don't see too many good leaders who don't appear worn out. That's because they understand the weight of their responsibility. They also understand the care and the love that needs to be going into being a leader. Drill sergeant style leadership is all well and good - in the army. In other things, you need to care about those who are under you, as most people would say. From my leadership experience, I stopped thinking about them as under me. They are my team. The people I am tasked to guide, I can't do anything without them. What makes me, as a leader, better than them? It certainly isn't the fact I was told that I need to guide them and take them where we want to be.

Leaders also understand that while you need to care about those you are leading, they also understand that they can't be buddy-buddy with everyone. Sometimes you have to say "This is how it is." Because that is part of your responsibility. In order to make certain what you and the others around you are doing goes off right, you must say "This is how it is." And sometimes you screw up. That happens too. But good leaders will listen to those around them and readjust, and fix things.

Like Fog said, you can't learn what is essential in leadership without taking the time to do the process. Many, many people don't have too many leadership opportunities. I have been blessed to have been able to be in Boy Scouts in real-life, and have been able to learn leadership skills that way. I lead an Eagle Project, and earned my Eagle, and that was a grueling process of getting people to work together. But it came together. I also have had leadership in other ways too, in school, church, and the opportunity of being able to train team members at work. Many of the people I have led have become close friends because of the way I view leadership.

Fog's approach to this training is a very wise, very intelligent system that I wish had been developed by more leaders, both in video-game guilds, and in real life, with different applications for whatever they are doing. If I ever choose to step away from Gaiscioch and try to run my own guild of some sort, which would be a poor decision on my part, I would want to talk to Fog about borrowing his system. I've noted that all the people who have followed through with Fog's program are great leaders, and great people. His system works, and I believe that it is part of the success of the Gaiscioch as a whole. The best come out to the top, because of their persistence and the lessons they learn.

Foglahda, I salute you.

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Jessica
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Replied On: 05/20/2013 at 10:44 PM PDT
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I have learned many things since joining Gaiscioch. When I lead, I think of everyone as family who I just happen to be adventuring with:) With that, you always have that brother that makes a bad decision or the sister that bugs the crap out of you. It's not all rosy all times and sometimes you have to put your foot down and people don't like you for it. Luckily people are also very understanding in Gaiscioch. I try to have fun at my events because if I am having fun, the people with me will too (something I learned from prissy). If I start getting frustrated I move to another objective and will come back another time when it's not as frustrating. After leading an event though, I find myself tired for some silly reason and have to give my brain a break. I have changed a lot since coming to this family and have learned acceptance and how to be kind to people. I still have my moments and by no means am I perfect, but I have learned a ton and will never stop learning. I was pretty crazy about getting marketplace points in the beginning, I was silly and wanted the points and was doing it for the wrong reasons. I was talking to someone not too long ago though and realized that it's not just a give, but it's a take too. If I don't order things off the market people don't get points and contribution to get them further in the family so they can lead and do things they want to as well. I was thinking about myself and trying to just be good to other people, unwilling to let anyone help me. These days I am more willing to let people help me and happy to lead whenever. It's not about the points, the ranks or the loot. It's about the adventures we have together and the memories that we share that matters in the end:) When I joined I was like really? family yeah right this is a guild and that's all it will ever be to me. I was proved wrong because people here mean a lot more to me than I ever thought they would.

» Edited on: 2013-05-20 22:45:21

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Briseadh
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Replied On: 05/21/2013 at 06:39 AM PDT
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Glad there are people who love to lead. I've become more of a backseat elder who is there to joke around and help out, but not in charge per se. I'm too distracted anymore to do a serious lead for long. Go get 'em! ;) This family knows how to have fun and take names doing it. LOL!

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LarelaLS
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Replied On: 05/21/2013 at 08:09 AM PDT
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I stumbled across this guild after deciding I wanted to stay in GW2 a while. I can honestly say I was floored by the structure, process, and the wonderful members. This guild (family) is exactly what I tried to build back in my old days of WoW. Getting people to care about it and follow the vision is quite difficult. The hardest part for me, was trying to find officers that cared more about the state of the guild than about their own lootz. I love this family and will probably never leave. It's exactly what I've always been searching for...so I'm proud to say I have found a place to call home!

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Connor
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Replied On: 05/22/2013 at 11:05 AM PDT
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ppfftt leadership is over rated..its like a second 9-5..and you gotta deal with cranky people like don all day...bleh! Down with the system!! Viva La Revolution!!

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Tayto
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Replied On: 05/23/2013 at 08:47 PM PDT
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I wish there was a, "like" button I could press for this thread.

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Cliff
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Replied On: 05/23/2013 at 09:51 PM PDT

The Leadership/point system is fun. Claiming participation is fun. In a way it validates the good time I am having. I love points and things flashing above my screen. There is something about numbers sybolizing progress that is satisfying. That being said, I take it all as an enhancement to this family and not the corner stone. The pillars that keep this machine rolling is the untold others whether they are reconized or not as the reason its worked. People enjoyed each others company and shared in memories and vision of what this community is all about. This idea, this family, is adding the spice to a recipe that is us. We each bring something to the table. The other pillar is having a place to come to share those ideas and friendships. This Tavern is where I come. Its the table to put the food on. It enhances what is already there. Fog has put a magnet out there trying to pull like minded people together and give a place at an ever expanding table. Its really cool to see. Its an evolving social platform is this digital age. I'm glad to be apart of it and meet awesome people along the way. Sometimes I even play a game now and then and create memories with you all. Leadership is a neat tool to develope. Friendships are even better.

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Ragmar
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Replied On: 05/23/2013 at 10:00 PM PDT
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Amen Cliff. I agree with you completely. I have to say that I am really loving this group of people. I joined up cause my older brothers did, and I thought to myself "Oh, well I'm probably just gonna be another number like that time in WoW and that time in DAoC etc. etc." But I'm not. I actually feel a part of the group, and I have the ability to move towards my own goals, as well as help others, without having to cut through red tape of getting officers to A) know who I am and B) getting them to care enough to help. This really is ingenious, and it's also been a great place to meet and talk with others. I play MMOs for two reasons. First and foremost is to play with other people. I love to run with others, laugh with them, and help them out. Second it's to advance my toon, which is difficult without others to help. This family has done the best I have ever seen, and it's taken a vision I once had and put it into a successful reality already. Fog and the Elders did all the hard work for me, and now I can tag along and smile and enjoy. And it's not a pathetic "Me-too-ism," it's a "I'm part of this group. I'm important." Important enough for people to say "Ragmar, get the portal! We want you to finish this JP!" I thought my beloved MMO world had degenerated into trolls and egotistical maniacs who only care about their shiny lootz, or their giant guilds of people who are together to be part of a "big numbers" guild. I'm glad that isn't the case.

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Valtyrian
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Replied On: 05/24/2013 at 07:01 AM PDT
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I love this guild and everyone in it I conciser a close friend. I like the ranking system as it is, the time you have to put into it to rank up just isn't worth the trouble. I claim my participation when I can but overall don't give two hoots if I am promoted up or not. I might just stay at the same guild rank I am. or I might move up just have to wait and see what the future holds. I have no interest in leading but rather just having fun with my friends in dungeons, raids or just adventuring. because that's what it's all about in a gaming community. to me at least

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JaeOnasi
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Replied On: 05/25/2013 at 11:09 AM PDT
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I've been a guild leader and guild officer in multiple games. I'm happy to be a 'regular member' and help out where I can. Leading is a lot of work, even when it's fun. Being a _good_ leader takes even more work and time. I needed a break while things got sorted out with work, health issues, and other important Family Stuff that has to be handled first. I'm just happy to be part of such a nice bunch of folks! :)

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