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Dragon Star Arena and Vet Dungeons

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tnliverpool
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Posted On: 01/15/2015 at 05:52 AM
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Greetings Family!

 

As many of you know from guild chat, I enjoy leading groups on the daily undaunted pledges.  As my Templar tank has progressed in levels (VR10), I am shifting more and more towards the vet versions of dungeons.  I am close to VR11 and will probably push towards 14 this weekend.  What I am looking for is interest in running higher level vet dungeons and Dragon Star Arena (DSA).

First off, a plea to the coolness of these dungeons and the fun they really are.  I think most people have experience at least one regular dungeon in their ESO adventures.  The vet dungeons do a good job, at least I think so, of stepping up the challenge.  The item rewards for these dungeons are really quite nice.  For those unaware, here is a nice link to set pieces.  Click on the "Monster Helm Sets" button to show the new vet dungeon sets.  As you can see, these sets are really pretty cool!  Not only do they look neat, they have great and unique bonuses.  In addition, completing these dungeons and killing the bosses really gives a nice sense of accomplishment.  I remember the first time I killed the second boss in Fungal Grotto, Bris and Syn were there.  It took us probably about 20 tries, but when we finally downed her it was a real sense of satisfaction.

"But I am not a min/maxer / I don't play the cookie cutter spec."  People are often nervous because they are playing their characters how they want and aren't conforming with the current meta.  If you have run with me in the past you know that I really don't care about all that.  Just like you, I am here to have fun.  I will not tell you that you are playing wrong or need to change your spec.  That being said, I have no problem helping you out if you think there is an area you could improve upon.  Things like stat allocation become important for the vet dungeons (General rule of thumb is at least 2200 HP in vet dungeons, 3100 for tank).  In the end, if you want to heal as a DK and tank as a sorc, go right ahead.  Another factor is time.  These runs generally take awhile.  Sometimes we don't finish.  While it can be disappointing to  not finish, it isn't the end of the world.  I have no problem going slow and explaining things as we move along in the dungeon (it does help if you are in RC at least because I am not a good typist while playing).  Heck, even if you are just curious about running a dungeon but what to go over gear or skills that are useful or mechanics, just ask in game.  More and more of us are running these and are glad to help.

Now, onto DSA.  As I approach VR14 I am eying DSA.  I would really like to start testing my mettle in there.  For those of you not sure what DSA is, it is the top tier 4 man content.  It is a gladiator type dungeon consisting of 10 waves of increasing difficulty.  I would like to start running these as a learning experience.  I say learning, because I know full well I will not complete it until after several tries.  Really my goal is just to incrementally complete it.  Start off on clearing the first wave, then have a discussion on tactics.  Things that worked, things that didn't work.  How we could improve communication.  Again, this is not going to be a speed thing.  I have no dreams of getting on the leader boards for top DSA times.  My goal is to progressively improve and master each stage, and ultimately get a full clear time in 90-120 minutes.  I think that is pretty doable.

Anyways, enough rambling on and trying to recruit more people for dungeons.  I know 1.6 is going to be on PTS soon and many of us will be spending alot of time over there, but we can also do these things on the PTS and provide feedback.  For any interested, here are my go-to guides for all the vet dungeons as well as a DSA guide.  I think think they are some of the best written dungeon guides out there and always have them up on my second monitor while running a dungeon.  Vet Dungeon and DSA Guides

Oh, and as a side not I am an east coast player (rare in the family I know).  I generally start most my runs around 6-7 EST, or 3-4 PST.  Hope to see some interest and I look forward to running more and more dungeons with you all!

Drinks-With-Two Fists

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tnliverpool
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 06:03 AM PST
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Something I forgot to include is how scaling works on the vet dungeons in regards to gear drops.  First off, there are two sources of loot drops for the dungeons.  First is of course the mobs themselves.  For the monster sets, the head pieces are ONLY mob drops.  The item level is based on the dungeon level which is set when you first enter the dungeon and is based on the group leaders level.  For example, if I am the lead on my VR10 templar, the mobs will all be VR10.  Generally, the idea is to set the dungeon to the lowest VR player in the group. This will make the dungeon easier in general, but the higher level folks will get lower level gear.  Really this only matters for the helm, but I am not too worried about it at this point.

Second source of gear is from the pledge completion.  IF you are running the daily veteran pledge, you will earn either a silver or a gold key upon completion.  You get the silver key by simply beating all the required bosses, usually its just the three or four main bosses.  To get the gold key you must complete a specific challenge in each dungeon.  These challenges are tied to an achievement and basically they make the final boss fight more challenging.  If I am running a vet dungeon, I am going to be doing the challenge for the gold key.  The reasons will be clear below regarding the loot.

Once you complete the daily quest and get your key, you unlock the corresponding chest for more loot.  This loot is scaled to your CURRENT level.  Yes, I have heard that you can hoard all your gold keys and unlock the chests at VR14 for all VR14 gear.  Me, I open right away because I like shinies.  The loot inside depends on the chest.  

Silver chests genarlly have 1 or 2 blue items, with a chance of a blue UNDAUNTED set piece.  These are the undaunted weaver, undaunted infiltrator, or undaunted bastion set.  NOT the monster sets.  Undaunted Sets.

Gold chests have 1 or 2 purple items and a chance at both UNDAUNTED set pieces and MONSTER set SHOULDERS.  This is the ONLY way to get the monster set shoulders.  Of course both chests also have gold and a soul gem in them.

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tnliverpool
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 06:14 AM PST
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Final note for those looking to get into running dungeons.  While you can run any spec you want any gear, there are some general goals to shoot for.  Also, as a standard these dungeons pretty much all require one tank, one healer, and two DPS.

Stats:

TANK

  • Health: 3100+
  • Armor: At least softcap, but as close to 3300 as you can get
  • Spell resists:  Same as armor
  • Stam/Magicka:  Really this depends on your tank style. As a templar my magicka is higher than my stamina, but this is not true for many DK tanks.
  • Stam/Magicka/Health Regen:  Same as the pool stat, really it depends on your tank style.  My templar is at or above all the regen softcaps with my Restoring Aura buff on.

DPS/Healer

  • Health: 2200+ (maybe a little higher for the healer)
  • Armor/Spell Resists: Not nearly as important as it is for tanking
  • Stamina/Magicka:  Your main resource pool should be as close to soft cap as you can get it.  NOTE: Get your 2200 HP FIRST!
  • Regen: Again, your main resource pool should be as close or above the softcap.
  • Spell/Weapon Power/crit:  As close to or above softcap

The lower you are in VR, the harder it is to achieve all of these.  Don't worry if you can't get them!  These are just generic goals.  The only one that is important is the health.  Certain fights have high unavoidable damage that will insta kill you if your health is too low.  Hence, 2200+ health is the FIRST thing you should try to achieve when running vet dungeons.  Also, when I mention your main resource pool, I am referring to whichever pool you use when casting most of your damage spells.  For example, all heal skills use magicka so healers should try to achieve 2200-2400 magicka.  Conversely, if you are a stamina DPS your stamina should try to be maxed.  If you use both, try to find a suitable middle ground.

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NukeLaCoog
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 06:44 AM PST
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Woohoo!  You can count me in for any of these.  I haven't completed DSA but have been through a few levels and it was a blast.  I have only completed 2 gold key runs in Vet Dungeons w/ PUGs and those were a lot of fun.  I would love to participate in any and all of these events.  I have a V14 DK DPS ready to go.

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Rizara
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 08:49 AM PST

I take it you need to be VR14 for DSA?  It's going to take me awhile longer to get there but I'd be interested once I did on my days off.

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tnliverpool
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 08:53 AM PST
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Normal mode DSA is VR13 I believe, and vet DSA is VR14.  I am "mostly" certain that both version of DSA do NOT scale with group leader level.  Course I have never been in to confirm.  I will pop in tonight solo after I finish my crafting writs.

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Jairone
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 10:57 AM PST
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I might be interested based on timing (work schedule is rather tight right now, with some Saturdays as well.)

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ElizabethInAustin
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 11:03 AM PST
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I would be interested in vet dungeons until I reach vet level 13.  What levels do you want for dungeons?

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tnliverpool
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 01:01 PM PST
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Sorry, should have done better job clarifying myself.  For the vet dungeon runs, really any vet level works.  Generally the dungeon is scaled down to the lowest level in the group.  IF I was forming a group whose sole purpose is to farm monster helms, then the goal would be high VR such that the helm drops are high rank as well.

DSA on the other hand does not scale (I verified this just now). All mobs are VR14, even in normal mode.

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delaDude
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 01:25 PM PST

You know I'm game!

I've not tried DSA before and really really want to give it a go! I'm pretty sure it doesn't scale and you can enter at v1 (you can also enter trials at v1, but its not a great idea).  

Recently I've been taking a break from the vet dungeons to wet my blade in Cyrodiil, but I'd like to run at least one or two a week. I'm also east coast, and I was thinking about setting up a weekly vet pledge event on Mondays or Tuesdays around 7pm est. Maybe we can start by leading/co-leading the same event, and depending on interest expand from there. It would certainly not stop us from doing our normal pick up events, but putting something on the calendar might generate more interest and participation too. What do ya think?

 

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DeaconGrim
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 04:17 PM PST

I'm interested. Templar healer.

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verve
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 05:54 PM PST
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I'm in.

Was very lucky in the 2 vet 'gold' undaunteds' we completed, have 2 shoulders.  Need to farm for matching helms in the VR 12-14 range. 

VR14 sorc-DPS/off heals with plenty of skills maxed

vr9 dk dps s&b, destro

vr6 templar, full heals, restro/s&b

I'll bring what ever the group needs dictate.  I'm east coast, usually stop playing before 6p EST (3p PST) but will hang a couple nights a week as needed

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tnliverpool
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Replied On: 01/15/2015 at 06:59 PM PST
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Awesome stuff everyone! Glad we got a lot of folks interested. I will get with de.la_dude and we will work out a recurring weekly thing, but of course I will run them impromptu as well. Scheduling well also depend on ESO live tomorrow and hopefully some news on when 1.6 will be on PTS. 

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Scarydrew
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Replied On: 01/16/2015 at 07:20 AM PST

for a while i had started getting more hardcore than i ever intended to in this game or any game ever again, ive since slowed things down but i have cleared normal DSA most vet dungeons, AA and hel ra so i have experience in all these places and I would love to go back into those places with a much more casual mentality, also im sick of being a resto dps nightblade (meta cookie cutter build) so I will gladly go back to my bow/dw playing the way i want in the gear i want and join you for some fun!

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Terrahawk
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Replied On: 01/17/2015 at 04:49 PM PST

I would love to participate. I have a templar with both healing and tank armor sets. 

Dying doesn't both me :) I am always in the mood to learn so someone making suggestions in tasks and timing is a positive thing.

I will look to the schedule for an announcement. 

 

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tnliverpool
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Replied On: 01/17/2015 at 07:44 PM PST
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Ok, so I am going to set up a recurring event for Monday evenings.  Again, this will be for VET dungeons and we will do the daily for the good key. 

Group priority will be given to people that sign up for the event on the website. Feel free to bring what class and role you would like, but try to be flexible as we will be running these with the typical tank, healer, and 2 DPS. We will run the dungeon at the lowest veteran rank in the group. Again, the goal for these is practice and the gold key. 

See you all in game! 

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Sy
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Replied On: 01/18/2015 at 10:07 AM PST

You know I am always willing if I am online :)

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verve
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Replied On: 01/19/2015 at 11:41 PM PST
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TN, Thanks for the great run last night.  It was well lead, and provided good training on team interaction and Boss mechanics.  

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