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Almost came back

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Jace
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Posted On: 02/11/2016 at 04:27 PM

Wife and I almost came back to try ESO again after a long hiatus. We were on the AD side and decided to try to the EB side with you GSCH members. I went to the forums to find out what people were into more now with the classes because they were probably balanced now. First thing I saw was the animation cancelling was still in the game. Now this was the thing that made me leave the last time and I figured that giving Zeni about a year they could have addressed this glaring issue. 

I kept reading the forums to look for a post about it then I saw were the devs were stating it wasn't a exploit it was just something they didn't intend on but can't fix. So with that I uninstall and wait for a time where it's removed. 

Absolutely depressing as to me i find it game breaking and the game could be pretty awesome if AC was nerfed. The community has created several ideas to help address it but wow nothing after two years. 

I'm hoping someone can tell me i'm wrong and that they fixed it, but the forums are just being trolls.

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Meagh
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Replied On: 02/11/2016 at 05:32 PM PST
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i'm waiting for them to put in spell crafting and housing  then i'll consider coming back. I don't think they're going to ever fix animation canceling.. It seems to be accepted by many pvpers as a skill rather than an exploit, not just in ESO (this attitude is prevalent in Blade & Soul and ArcheAge also).

I don't know how they could fix it actually.. unless they put everything under a universal Global Cool Down instead of separate ones with skill priority. .. but that would probably mean rewritting all of the code that deals with that form the ground up.. I doubt that is going to happen.

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Jairone
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Replied On: 02/11/2016 at 06:36 PM PST
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Sadly AC is probably going nowhere.  They are doing some work on priority animations so you see animations, but it simply won't move due to the number of people who think combat is 'clunky' if it does.

Personally, I would love to see it go as it's nothing more than an annoying requirement to get top tier dps/healing at this time.  I don't really like hitting block constantly, or having to always hit a weapon attack between abilities to max out my effectiveness.  I don't really care if combat animations aren't 100% fluid.  That's me... and the outcry seems to be more that people like the fluid animations and will do AC instead of wanting a game that isn't a mess of constantly hitting different things while cycling block.  :(

It is probably one of the things I dislike most about the game, especially given that it affects the balance of design so much.



» Edited on: 2016-02-11 18:37:30



» Edited on: 2016-02-11 19:52:19

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Laoch de na Ulchabhan Dubh
verve
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Replied On: 02/12/2016 at 05:35 AM PST
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guess i'm in the minority, light attacks build Ultimate, you're going to use them anyway, AC is only an animation problem when the skill takes time to cast (which only effects 2 handed for me).  So medium attack "weaving" boosts your DPS and builds ulti...don't see the "game breaking" problem.  it's an easy skill to learn and use.

The game has improved leaps and bounds from where it was at launch.  We have a solid group of end game players as well as many more casual players.  Combat system is easy to use, difficult to master.  Graphics are fantastic, lag has been steadily decreasing, class leveling has been (for the most part) judiciously applied and new content comes out every Quarter.

If animation canceling is a deal breaker for you, so be it, but it's a great game with lots of fun to be had.  You will be welcome with open arms and generous assistance any time you want to pick it up.

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Seaimpin de na Capall Donn
Jace
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Replied On: 02/12/2016 at 06:42 AM PST

Unfortunately it is a deal breaker for me. I talked with some friends in my last ESO guild and they mentioned that your not even viable if you don't AC with macros. They said you can try and not use macros, however when most everyone is using them why not. Personally I just feel it's poor design when you can negate the very thing they created for the system, and it's misused like that.

I was looking forward for this game to mature a bit but in it's current state it's not very welcoming to players unless you run autohotkey or autoit. 

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Jairone
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Replied On: 02/12/2016 at 09:13 AM PST
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Verve, to me they just need to fix the rate of resource generation for Ultimates.  Then you don't need those light attacks.

I refuse to macro it, especially with macros against the TOS.  Thus it means I have to sit there clicking each time I launch an attack, and that I must if I wish to be the best I can be, use block to shorten an animation for a partial heavy instead of a light.  That's annoying to many people (myself included... and I rarely bother to be honest because it is annoying.)  I don't like sitting there swapping back and forth on my mouse buttons constantly.  That's if my favored abilities work with it, because a number of them simply don't work regularly with AC.  Which makes it even worse, because now that ability is just not fired with cost due to a glitch in the code around it and AC.

Without it: yes, you can still do stuff.  You just can't compete with the numbers those doing it put out.  It isn't like not doing so completely breaks the game, but it is a big loss especially for dps.

They won't likely change it though.  It's something ZOS decided to accept, and there have been multiple threads with much higher support to change it and fix ulti generation... but they'd have to rewrite a fair bit of code to do so.  So where it annoys the living daylights out of me to do I just play as I enjoy most of the time and ignore it.



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» Edited on: 2016-02-12 09:15:13

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Seaimpin de na Capall Donn
Jace
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Replied On: 02/12/2016 at 10:37 AM PST

Well I hope you guys have fun. Please message me if something ever changes because I did go all in and buy the imperial addition for my wife and I and I'd like to play it when\ if they ever resolve it.  

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Seaimpin de na Capall Donn
Jace
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Replied On: 02/12/2016 at 11:18 AM PST
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Jairone
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Replied On: 02/12/2016 at 11:56 AM PST
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That's just animation blending.  If the missing animations were your problem, that fixes it.  It does not address any of the other issues that people have with it.

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Eiahn
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Replied On: 02/12/2016 at 03:43 PM PST
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I suggest you come online and play for a while. It would be great to have you with us in the game and it would give you a first-hand chance to see if things are up to par with what you have been looking for or not.

All of that said, if you and your wife are not comfortable with the game or its mechanics, I fully understand it ends up taking the fun out of the game for both of you.

Feel free to jump on GameVox and come chat with us:), it might help give you a more in-depth perspective and an occasion to chat with some peeps who play regularly. 

"Those Who Judge, Do Not Matter. Those Who Matter, Do Not Judge."
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verve
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Replied On: 02/13/2016 at 05:06 AM PST
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I don't macro, don't know anyone in the Family that macros, and yet we somehow are able to clear high end content.  I feel my DPS is very competitive, and know others can out damage and out heal me.  Tanking on the other hand is a whole different animal, takes a special mindset/skillset to be great.

The PvP (AvA in Cyrodiil) players that do macro will wipe a larger group, unfair yes, cheating probably.  We have many successful AvA players that just accept this and play on.

But my/our playtime is spent mostly in PvE content.  In PvE macros are a moot point, it's only cheating yourself.  I hate to admit this, but every opinion expressed in the "Forums" may or may not be valid.  Ya gotta go to know, i want to extend an invitation to play with us, not for you-just stop.  It'll only cost the time it takes to download, and you may enjoy it.

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Briseadh
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Replied On: 02/13/2016 at 06:21 AM PST
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I don't macro and never really have. I haven't even bothered figuring out what AC is or why it matters. I play the game and pretty much know what I can or cannot do on each character, then work on improving what does work for me. The again I've never been one to crunch numbers, worry about what others can do, etc. I like the flow of combat, the graphics, and the stories in this game. That is why I am here. The reason I die most times is I'm not paying attention or my handicapped hands just can't seem to find the keys in time. =)

Don't mess with Mama Bear, I might hug you too tight. =D
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Malthol
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Replied On: 02/13/2016 at 06:05 PM PST
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I occasionally log back in & putter around. I haven't rejoined though as I was not able to find time to get into the GSCH AvA much, so I wasn't getting anything out of this game I couldn't get out of Skyrim. Housing might bring me in for a second look. I don't think AC is a big deal, so much as the vast number of things I do keeping me from getting game time with groups.

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Omnia
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Replied On: 03/11/2016 at 08:06 PM PST

This happens to be one of the (many) reasons that I actually stopped playing ESO after playing since Beta. (And took Hercules with me :P)

At first, I didn't know anything about AC, then as I played more and read more, I figured out it was the thing to do. I hated AC. It made me feel underwhelming and like I would never be able to complete at the level I desired. Not to mention the arthritis and tennis elbow it gave me from trying to accomplish the cancellations efficiently. (Slight exaggeration, but still...)

It MIGHT have been OK if it wasn't so unreliable. It just doesn't work half the time. I have watched videos from very skilled, high end players and they even mention this very issue.  

The whole system started to feel too much like a job... a job I was not doing well.  It stopped being a game for me at that point.

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