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Goibniu's Artisans Guild - New Rules

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Posted On: 04/12/2014 at 01:43 PM
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Goibniu's Artisans New Rules


Current members of the Artisan guild: The rules for how to use the bank have changed and you need to post below to say you have read and agree to the plan outlined in this post, when one of the officers sees your post you will be given bank access. Also, please note that racial style stones are now available on the marketplace so we will no longer be putting them in the guild bank. Any that you can't use should be either put into the Gaiscioch bank or used to fill orders on the marketplace.


New members: Please be sure to read all of this post so that you understand the purpose of the guild and then bank use rules, if you want to apply post below to say you have read and agree.

 

This guild is only open to Gaiscioch members, but is not an official Gaisicoch guild and is not a Saighdear, however we do require that you conduct yourselves in the same manner as you would in Gaisicoch guilds with respect and family friendly chat. We only deal with Blacksmithing, Clothing and Woodworking, and Enchanting (because Provisioning and Alchemy do not use deconstruction)

So what is this Artisan Guild useful for?
One of the fastest ways to advance your crafting level in Blacksmithing, Woodworking, Clothing and Enchanting, is through deconstructing items. However, you do not get much inspiration from deconstructing your own items, and this is where the Artisan Guild comes in. The Artisan guild is set up to help people gain Inspiration (crafting exp) by exchanging items with each other that they then deconstruct. The main problem with exchanging items for deconstruction is that items don’t stack in trade window, or in mail, and for mail it would be expensive. So members can use the Artisan guild bank to complete these transactions. 


We do not exchange raw mats, drops or anything that is available through the marketplace.


Current members note the following new system:


So, how do you use the guild bank? The 'Buddy System'.

Using guild chat ask, or offer, to do a crafting exchange session. State what type (ie Blacksmith, Woodworking, Clothing or Enchants) and what tier you are currently working on. If someone is online and is ready to go ahead you then need to agree on a few details before hand. You can use the Crafters' Commons Corner room in Raidcall to work out the details, or use text chat in game. (suggest making a new tab for tells, or for guild chat and change the chat color so you can easily see which chat you are in).


When exchanging with a craft buddy there are three things you need to agree on before hand:
1. TYPE of item eg. Clothing, Blacksmithing, Woodworking or Glyphs
2. NUMBER of items
3. TIER of the items you will exchange and what LEVEL.


IMPORTANT: Make sure you know the character/alt name that is making the items, it will not say the @name on the crafted item, and you need to know who’s items you are looking for in the bank during the exchange.


VERY IMPORTANT: Make sure you are depositing and withdrawing from the correct bank! It is much too easy in ESO to mistake which bank you are in. You should double check that your items are there after you have deposited them. A couple of times this week items that were clearly destined for the Artisan bank turned up in the Gaiscioch bank, which may account for a couple of the times that people thought their items had been taken and not replaced.


Anyone who chooses to continue with old system, of putting items in then waiting for someone else to take and replace them, needs to know that bank use is very difficult to monitor so it is at your own risk. There have been a couple of occasions this week when people have taken items and not replaced, or replaced with items of a different craft type. Please don't do this. The buddy system is much safer for everyone. Anyone found to be abusing the system will have their bank access removed immediately until a resolution is reached, mistakes happen but if you take other peoples items you must replace them or lose access to the bank.

Current members who have items in the bank right now can leave the items there and ask for a craft buddy in chat the same way as described above, the only difference is that your items are already there, or can remove your own items if you prefer and if you have the space to do so.


Finally, do not use the bank as a way to transfer items between your alts, do not ask people in the guild chat to refrain from using the bank while you transfer things to your alts because if one person does this then others will too.


Any question please feel free to contact me (Raighan) here on the website or in game, or one of the officers (current officers are: Vyse, Famaen, Barren and Elsimer)

Last Edited on: 04/21/2014 at 08:28 AM
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Reserved for future notices

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I would like an invite please /sign @erucoop

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I have read and agree wholeheartedly.  Please restore rights to @thane8.  Thanks!

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Agreed to all.  Please invite @earicci

 

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I agree @jarjarbinx99



» Edited on: 2014-04-12 14:20:40

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Awesome, thanks for posting this!

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I have read and agree with above idea. Please restore bank access @fl824

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read and agree  please invite @kara_taoa42

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Read and agree to all, please invite @rdhddva

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read & agreed @nukelacoog

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Read & Agreed

 

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read and agreed

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Read and agree, already a member @asere

 

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/sign, @asellion

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I have read and agree to abide the Artisan guild rules.

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I would like an invite /read, @Kurtz0619

 

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Hi guys I just got back from a show downtown and see the servers are now offline. I will check in the morning and send out invites and bank access to anyone who didn't get picked up by one of the officers this evening. 

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Read & Agreed

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Read and agreed.

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I agree. @bagration13

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read and agreed sign me up please  @birdee

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I havent really paid attention to how an artisan guild works but I am interested in joining one. I do have a question tho. Does this artisan guild allow asking for items for research purposes? 

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Hi Ysolde, that isn't the purpose of the guild, but I don't think anyone would mind if you asked occasionally. The post at the top of this thread explains exactly what we are and how we work, if you read that and want to join you can ask in this thread.

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/agree

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read and Agreed

 

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» Edited on: 2014-04-13 18:16:57

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Read and agree

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I have read and agree on terms. Please invite @Villaovi

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Read and agree

Invite please, @TheBaldOne

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Open for invites again.



» Edited on: 2014-04-21 08:27:06

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When applications do open up again I'd like to to request to join

 

I am currently lvl 37 enchanting and can make veteran rank glyphs up to rank 3 I can make up to v5 if I add more points into it but haven't done so since there hasn't been a need.

 

I am looking for an enchanter that can make glyphs potency 5 and higher so we can level up these last few level effectively

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Read and Understood

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I would love to help support the crafters. Invite please when they are open again. @arsnocte

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I am a current member and would like access to the bank.  Thanks for doing this. @Slovia

 

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So, yesterday I posted in the guild chat i would like to exchange some woodworking and blacksmithing items through the GBank, no one responded so i went ahead and made the deposits. Later on I saw that someone had removed 10 lvl 24 bows made by my main crafting character and nothing of the same level or close was deposited. Since there is still dishonest people using the bank for their own needs, I have dropped guild and hope the matter is looked into and who ever was responsible should be removed from the guild. I have been with the family since Rift and have never experienced dishonest members until now. It does not matter that the crafting guild is not a main family guild or not.

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Wendolf I must say I would have rather dealt with this matter in private, but I guess I will reply to you here seeing as you didn't mention anything of this to me or give me chance to look into it. Why did you not come to me with this yesterday? I was in the game all day, and then again later at night, or you could have sent me a msg here on the guild site.

Do you know that one of our members was hacked and EVERYONE in the guild lost items including me? Over 250 weapons and armor were taken and I did what I could to make sure everyone knew. However, that was Sunday night, and you say this happened yesterday - Monday. As soon as I saw what you posted above I took screen shots of the guild bank history, and it shows you taking out 20 weapons yesterday and making no deposits. If you had come to me straight away I would have been able to look at the history and see what you had put in, and see who had taken things out in the time frame after that, but the bank history does not go back that far now. Now all I have is your word for it.

What I could see in the bank history was that a guild member had deposited a large number, maybe around 20 or more, of level 16 bows before you made your last withdrawal and dropped guild. Level 16 is tier 2, your 10 bows were also tier 2. The rule was, and always has been, that you replace within the same tier that you take. If you chose to deposit items at the top of the tier that was your choice, but the rules when you joined were very plain and straight forward and were always plain to see on the guild info window. Everyone that I invited was told that you replace the same tier, type and number. So I do not believe anyone did anything wrong here at all. You are accusing our members of stealing from you, but you have no evidence, and I have a screen shot showing you taking items and no deposits. So how would you suggest I proceed?

Also, in this thread above you signed to say you had read and agreed to the 'New Rules' which states:

"Anyone who chooses to continue with old system, of putting items in then waiting for someone else to take and replace them, needs to know that bank use is very difficult to monitor so it is at your own risk. There have been a couple of occasions this week when people have taken items and not replaced, or replaced with items of a different craft type. Please don't do this. The buddy system is much safer for everyone. Anyone found to be abusing the system will have their bank access removed immediately until a resolution is reached, mistakes happen but if you take other peoples items you must replace them or lose access to the bank."

If you wanted to make sure you got bows of the same level you would have to use the buddy system and agree what to exchange with your buddy. That is not always immediately available when you want it so you made a decision to go to the old system at your own risk.

I am really disappointed that a long term Gaiscioch member would come and accuse his guildmates this way in public over a mere 10 bows. Blades out not in. This week I have worked very hard to to make this work, and I have lost many hours of playing my own game to try and set this up for the benefit of others, I get nothing out of it, and for you to then come here with these accusations is, quite frankly, just a really crappy way to behave.  This week people have been very good about sticking to the rules apart from a few misunderstandings, and the new buddy system was to help stop that from happening again. Now you come and post this here why? To vent your anger? What? ... because of 10 bows.

and that is all I have to say about that.

 



» Edited on: 2014-04-16 05:55:23

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Replied On: 04/15/2014 at 08:06 PM PDT

I think that I'm the one who made the swap between your level 24 bows and my level 16 bows. I calculate every time very carefully the amount of inspiration it gives for deconstructing. If it was like you said 10 lvl 24 bow = 14 510 inpiration points, than I put the equivalent amount of lvl 16 bows witch gives the same amount of inspiration for deconstructing. Around 15 in this case. It's better to craft the lowest level per tier for better inspiration per unit of material. So again, it was not stealing at all... Most of the time, I put an extra few just to boost the bank inventory and help others. 



» Edited on: 2014-04-15 20:08:07

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Well said Raighan.  Your leadership and dedication is appreciated.  Thank you for all your help with this side project.  With the new rules in place I see no reason for you to spend your game time monitoring the bank.  Go enjoy the game!!! :-)

 

 

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I have read the rules and would like to join.

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Read and agree, /signed, @wildflower for invite please.

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I have read rules, agree, and would like an invite. @Modabi

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I have read the rules. I Agree and would like to join when there is available spot.

 

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Replied On: 04/21/2014 at 09:25 AM PDT

I have read the rules and agree to join @ElizabethInAustin

 

I hoping to find an enchanting and clothing buddy.  More Enchanting though since I am hitting a major wall leveling. Thanks!!

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ElizabethInAustin
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Replied On: 04/21/2014 at 09:33 AM PDT

As a side note, if you need any help with the guild I am happy to lend a hand. I have become enchanted (no pun intended) with ESO crafting and feel like it will be my niche in game.  Thanks!

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Wulfemeister
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Replied On: 04/21/2014 at 10:02 AM PDT
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Hi,

I have read and agree to the rules.

Please add:  @Wulfemeister

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Somercy2163
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Replied On: 04/21/2014 at 06:18 PM PDT
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I have read and agree to the rules.

I am ready to get crafting.

Please invite @Urbadec

Many thanks

 

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Lilidal
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Replied On: 04/22/2014 at 04:25 AM PDT

 

Read and agreed.

Please invite @Nightshade84

Thanks

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Betony
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Replied On: 04/22/2014 at 11:01 AM PDT

I have read the rules and agree to follow them.  :)

Please send an invite to @SybleyStarfire

Thank you!

 

 

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Solo
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Replied On: 04/24/2014 at 11:50 AM PDT

I have read the rules and will adhere to them.  Would like to join the crafter guild.  ESO accout @soldenal.

 

Thanks!

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Maegor
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Replied On: 04/25/2014 at 11:20 AM PDT

I have read the rules and agree to follow them.

@maegor

 

Thanks

 

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Draconid
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Replied On: 04/30/2014 at 12:18 PM PDT

I have read and agree to the rules.  Please invite @Draconid

My crafter is The Other One and I am currently on the upper end of Tier1 on all crafting skills.  I have a large amount of mats and ready to make for anyone that needs the lower level items.

Thanks
Draconid

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BlackDeath
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Replied On: 06/04/2014 at 11:36 AM PDT
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I'd like to chime in here.  Not all of us are going to be at the same crafting level.  I personally save up mats and take care of it in huge chunks every few weeks.

I never expected to exchange exact level / type items tit for tat.  It was my understanding this is exactly why JarJar put forth the effort in the crafting spreadsheet.  I think everyone needs to understand there will be times you need to exchange 50 level 10 items for 10 level 50 items (example).  If you use the spreadsheet you can get down to an exact science.  Now in my opinion if you're not willing to do that then we're all wasting our time because there will always be a skill gap between members.

Now when I exchange items I fill out my own copy of the spreadsheet for two reason.  One to make sure the exchanges are fair and balanced inspiration wise. And two for my own record if someone wants to call me out.  It's my receipt so to speak.

I for one have never had an issue with the old / original system.  We need to remember we're all on the same team here.

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ElizabethInAustin
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Replied On: 10/06/2014 at 10:26 AM PDT

Is the artisan guilds still active? I heard there are two. Please feel free to contact me here or in game to join. My in game name is @ElizabethInAustin. Thanks!!

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Replied On: 10/06/2014 at 11:03 AM PDT
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Once you hit Lorgair rank you will automatically be invited into the Materials and Armory guild. We put this check in there to prevent vault raiding.

"It's not the loot and accolades you walk away with, it's the memories and friendships that you cherish forever." - Foghladha
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ElizabethInAustin
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Replied On: 10/06/2014 at 12:28 PM PDT

Thanks Fog. I finally found the family structure section and it looks like I am 100 points away from that. YAY!

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Miraj
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Replied On: 10/08/2014 at 06:08 PM PDT

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Miraj
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Replied On: 10/08/2014 at 06:09 PM PDT

Read, understood, and agreed upon. Thanks

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ElizabethInAustin
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Replied On: 10/20/2014 at 09:23 AM PDT

Is there a thread about the Materials Guild?

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Replied On: 10/20/2014 at 04:10 PM PDT
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Goibniu's Artisans was a guild set up by Gaiscioch members that was not actually controlled under the eldership like Gaiscioch, Gaiscioch Armory and Gaiscioch Materials.  It was made back when crafters in April May time frame during our HUGE active stint wanted a way to work together because we did not even have stuff on the marketplace like we do now and also wanted an easier way to swap items for deconstruction.

To read about what Fog has setup and is actually maintained as full Gaiscioch guild follow this link:

http://www.gaiscioch.com/tavern/eso_discussion/post_67557.html

It is lengthy but inside it there is an explanation for the three official guilds you could currently belong to in ESO for Gaiscioch.

And as far as Goibniu's Artisans.  I haven't heard them doing anything or people talking about it much since like June no later than July because by then we had a more robust marketplace going.

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Replied On: 10/20/2014 at 08:08 PM PDT

The main reason it broke off at the time was mainly because it couldn't be policed really.  People where using the guild bank as a means to power lvl deconstruct crafted items.  People would take say 50 lvl 14 bows  deconstruct them and put 50 lvl 14 bows back up in there.  The problem some people started abusing (or they weren't read up on the purpose of the guild) and stopped putting items back in or didn't put the same lvl items as they took out.  With the quantities and how short of a transaction ledger there was, there was no real way to police this at the time.  It was a good idea of streamlining the powerleveling process, but the when the abuse came it wasn't worth the effort.

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