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Hey all I had no idea GSCH was going to have a BDO chapter. Last night I kept seeing GSCH completed guild quest and had to go check! Do u have room for more yet? I would love to be with u all. Love the guild events especially if Fog is playing this game. The rift events were the best!
Gaiscioch does not have a "Chapter" in Black Desert. We only have 2 Chapters. ESO & GW2
Black Desert has a GSCH Social Adventure, which is a small scale splinter of folks who are part of the Gaiscioch community. These social adventures have their own section of our site but do not receive the full support that comes from a chapter. It is run entirely by members, with little to no eldership involvement. Some social adventures will have no elder presence at all.
This icon on the top navigation will take you to the Social Adventure section.
Inside you can find information about which adventures we've officially launched guilds in or even lead an open adventure with your friends in any game you can imagine. I highly recommend giving the About Social Adventures page a read. http://www.gaiscioch.com/social/about.html It covers a lot of what the Social Adventures are and what they are not.
Here's an easy way to look at it:
http://www.gaiscioch.com/social/getting_started.html
I also strongly suggest that folks download and run Discord. It's a social communications application that can be run from a web browser, as a desktop client, and also on mobile devices. It does not require voice connection (unlike Gamevox/Teamspeak/Ventrilo, etc.), but it does have voice communication capabilities, just like those voice clients.
I do not suggest running from a browser, unless you absolutely have no choice. You can download the desktop client and run it just like Gamevox. They do call it a "desktop app", so don't be confused by what they call it.
It offers a lot of very neat features, including a shoutbox-style of text communication, and messages are review-able whether you are running the app or not. The coolest feature, is that you do not have to be logged into voice at all, even if you run the desktop client. To join a voice channel, you just click on a channel, then when you want silence, you just disconnect from Voice.
Sign up at gsch.info/bdo
it will open up the browser app page, then up at the top of the page, you will see a link to download the desktop client. The browser page does not allow PTT, unless the browser is the active window, so I strongly suggest downloading the "desktop app" and run it, just like you would Gamevox. It's lightweight and as I said, will not automatically log you into voice... it's kind of like Skype/MSNIM/Trillian, etc. but very nicely laid out, with fantastic features.
Glad to have you join us. :) I miss the Rift days.
downloading BDO atm, cant play till tomorrow, but cant wait to join up!!!
I just created my character on Orwen & am looking forward to playing with everyone :) Plus I'm moving to California next month from Australia so my play times will sync up much better in the future!
It was great to see Gaiscioch pop up in my system alerts in BDO yesterday. I played in Rift and participated in Gaiscioch events for some time before I ended up joining you all. Shortly after, life took me away from gaming for an extended time. I think BDO may bring that magic back. I'd love to see what adventures Gaiscioch has in store in this beautiful world. I'll look for you all in Discord and in game. Family name there is Keyes. Cheers!
Aethena, what part of California. I'm in San Francisco now, but will be moving to Sacramento (most likely) in June.
I'm moving just outside Los Angeles :D
We have quite a good turnout for BDO so far. It's pretty awesome! I think I also sold 3 friends on the game who want to come on board with us.
It's a great turn-out for a social adventure, but as you can see, the interest/playing numbers are no where even close to ... say GW2, or even ESO at their launch. It's not even close to ESO, now, still just a small fraction.
This is why we have the Social Adventure program.
Without it, then this... what we're involved with right now, would not be possible for our family. Sure, a few folks might have organized themselves and all joined the same guild, but most others would be scattered, probably not even playing on the same server... just like most other games that folks started playing before the SA program was launched.
This is the Social Adventure program working as we'd hoped. :)
For now being that the game is new it seems like this SA has more activity than those others. At least there seems to be more social interaction here than in the GW2 or ESO section as many people are having to ask questions and learn the game. That might change in a month or when people realize that this is a pvp game :P .
Only thing I'd personally like is to be able to rename the social event titles instead of having to plan them in advance to use that feature. For example I know I want to do something on this day at this time but it might not be the same thing I had planned like we might go farm red orcs or maybe go cut some trees.
I'm also kind of confused behind what "do not receive the full support that comes from a chapter" means what are we missing out on? Just seems that even if it was a chapter this game particularly won't conform to the marketplace style store.
Esca - it means we don't get extra bells and whistles on the site for one thing. However, one thing is a non-issue - without trading between players directly - we couldn't bother with a marketplace set up anyway.
We also don't get points the same way towards the family leveling if people are inclined to that. Social adventures rack up half the points of timed events for chapters and legacy chapters. Still not a huge deal. Social adventure's still get points towards the family.
We don't get an expanded forum with multiple sections like a chapter, but still not a huge deal.
Other than that I don't see any concerns for it being a social adventure. Lorgair and higher can still post an event and name it what they want and flag it for social adventure type. Much like Fog did for Thursdays stream event he did with us.
If we really wind up having this adventure stay strong for 3 months, then we can see if things are working as is. Only thing I foresee is possibly a little more forum subchannel stuff if we stay overly active and post a lot. I can sticky things we want to keep where people see.
Basically, there really is not much we are missing being a social adventure. The main thing is a crew of us from the family are having fun with the game and that is the most important thing.
Social Adventure actually has more freedoms than a Chapter. I also posted to my other thread, because I'd really like to help everyone not feel negative, because BDO is a Social Adventure and not a Chapter.
It's not a lesser thing. It's really not.
... and yes, I realize that the other Social Adventures have not worked out as well as we'd like, but that's exactly because it's something new and people don't really understand it yet.
Once they do understand it more, then they'll most likely feel comfortable enough to get on board and help grow them.
"Basically, there really is not much we are missing being a social adventure." thats exactly what I though. I didn't think that there was much more we could really use for BDO because there isn't much that can be tied into the traditional GSCH stuff.
"It's not a lesser thing. It's really not." I know I understand the idea behind that I fully agree with where your coming from and what you mean to accomplish behind this however I had a good conversation with a few people in BDO the other day and they made the points listed below.
1. Comments like Fog's when he says "Black Desert has a GSCH Social Adventure, which is a small scale splinter of folks who are part of the Gaiscioch community." - this part has made some people think we are not going to be as dedicated to the game that we play in. I know some won't be as dedicated but thats not everyone. I've had plenty of people message me stating they didn't think GSCH was serious about BDO so they went looking for another place to play.
2. "These social adventures have their own section of our site but do not receive the full support that comes from a chapter." - This section has been pointed out to me by others in tandem with the original comments that some former GSCH didn't think we'd be "active, or invested".
3. "It is run entirely by members, with little to no eldership involvement. Some social adventures will have no elder presence at all." - Not really sure what elders have to do with any thing really.. Every GSCH game i've played in elders have had litter to do with the activity. It was mostly non-elders doing events when I was active.
So don't take this as a negative I see where Fog and you Sekker are going I just have heard people that know GSCH from other games and they messaged me when I was GM in BDO for that short time. I must have gotten about 20 different people messaging me talking to me about these items. I tried to correct them but your right there is a weird stigmata behind the words "social adventure".
I don't think education will help anyone on this more so creative marketing. This guy mentioned to me that he thought we went to Devillian and that this was just a few spin off members. I told him we had a few more than a "few". Time will tell, we are doing great in BDO so lets see how the next few months go. I'll keep talking to guild and trying to build friendships.
Good points, it helps greatly to know how folks are thinking. Honestly, it's all about encouraging dialogue and fostering understanding, because yea... it's a new program and has kinks to work out.
To address the "dedication" concerns, yes, there are going to be differing levels of what folks would consider "dedication" or amount of effort that we put into some games. Some are going to want to focus on a game, others want to play casually. We do that right now with our Chapters, too. Chapters just happen to have a lot of the focus, because that's where most of our members are playing. Our focus will always be where the majority of members want to be.
Members drive this community. Everything is designed around and to support that. Since we have a membership numbering in the thousands, we're going to have a diverse set of opinions on what the design and support should be. That's where a framework comes into play, then it's tweaked as the community requires. However, the more people you have, the more difficult it becomes to try to accommodate everyone's needs and tastes.
Fog has worked very hard to develop the framework for Gaiscioch over the last decade. He's had failures and successes. It's always a work in progress and honestly, I think he puts more time into this community than he does for anything else. It's a 100-ton godzilla. lol
The important thing to understand, is that Members do drive the direction of the community. That is why he's used some of the wording that folks are finding confusing and troublesome. That doesn't mean that he, or we as a community, feel these other games are unimportant or not going to get attention, it just means that he wants Members to be proactive and take their own initiative with the games.
That's why he's designed the tools in a generic fashion, so members have what they need to work with.
Everyone has their own interests. A lot of our community no longer plays GW2 or ESO, so Social Adventures is a project to work within the structure of our community and allow everyone to feel active with the community as a whole, rather than just focusing on one or two games.
Hopefully Fog's comment about "member driven" will hopefully make more sense, now. "Leadership" is a multi-faceted term in Gaiscioch. A lot of us, equate the term as "authority", but we don't. In Gaiscioch, "leadership" = "taking initiative", being a positive "by example" and by just being pro-active within the community. Self-less and a willingness to always try to help, are other traits of Gaiscioch leadership.
Elders are not authoritative leaders, so even when they are put in a game's management position, they still aren't meant to function as per the typical "guild leader" stereotype. Elders are advisers and guidance counselors to the community. They are members who have a particular personality that embodies the idea of what I just defined above. Not everyone can or will be one, as the position is designed for a particular personality. I'll never be an Elder, I don't think that I have the correct personality.
So, even in a Chapter, we still have the same exact "member-driven" concept that a Social Adventure has... we just have a literal "elder presence" that acts as ... well, family guides. Think about how GW2 works. Think about how ESO works.
Fog maintains the position of authoritative leader, no matter what the game is, Chapter or otherwise. He's the sole decision maker.
However, with Social Adventures, the involved members actually have a little more freedom in that area. They actually can govern themselves, as long as they follow the guidelines set by our Family Credos. Of course, that is under the GSCH brand. If it's something like Echoes in FFXIV, they run autonomously under their own structure, but would be welcome to operate as a Social Adventure, as long as they agreed to abide by the credo.
"Full attention and support". That's the easiest to explain, as that just means the infrastructure stuff, like event claiming, marketplace, separate forum areas, VOIP channels. Chapters are only those games that can support the infrastructure. There's literally thousands of hours of work that goes into supporting a game. Fog has developed a very long list of detailed requirements, that a game must meet, in order to be able to integrate it into the current Chapter infrastructure.
For each game, he has to spend several hundreds of hours making tweaks, so ... it's something that he wants to make sure that a majority of our membership will play. We're talking the intention of supporting ~1000+ for a single game. Very large scale. (edit: I should note that the minimum is 400-ish, but the intent is for a much higher number)
Most games don't meet that, but it doesn't mean that they'll become the un-loved step-child, just that they can not be integrated into the full support structure of the community website.
I hope this helps folks, maybe even in answering questions asked of them.
